so the idea that we could prevent arms flows from iran into syria by our presence in iraq is ludicrous. >> what do you think of his criticism of president obama? >> i think his criticism of the president is like you said, he likes to lie. this man really likes to lie. this is a man, who after all, we have a 6,000 page select intelligence report right now on torture and enhanced interrogation techniques. this is a man who lied to the american people about the effectiveness of torture. this 6,000 page report is going to debunk that. and i know every expert i've talked to in the fbi, and in the cia, glenn carl for example told me none of this torture worked. none of this enhanced interrogation worked. it did not, as cheney has alleged, lead to the killing of bin laden. it was counterproductive. it was damaging to our reputation and he's still lying about it. >> we haven't heard the last of that, have we? >> no, we haven't. >> how aggressive do you think lawmakers ought to be with that report? >> i think it ought to be at least portions of it, just like i thought the 9/11 commission portio